February 5, 2006 by cosmoakacitizensmith
Not only did the BNP 2 get let off their incitement charges, but Wales lost the rugby.
Does it get any better?
I am tempted to get out there and try and persuade as many people as I can to vote for the BNP just to see what they’d do with me once they got to power. As a Scots-Hungarian Welshman brought up in England, I appreciate that I am downgrading the genepool by my mere presence in this country, but I mean, really…..
Perhaps I’d be hung, drawn and quartered, with parts of me delivered to each of the UK’s capital cities. And maybe a random limb or two would be despatched to Budapest.
There you go! Sorted!
I mean, how can what Nick Griffin said be considered incitement to racial hatred? It’s not as if there are any brown or black-skinned Muslims living here. And I mean, come on, they get treated exactly the same as the “indigeneous” British, they don’t suffer racism or harrassment just because of who they are or anything.
All he did was criticise a religion which, let’s face it, we’ve all got a downer on.
These Muslims should learn how to take a joke. Why are they so upset about pictures of the prophet Muhammad published in European newspapers? Come on people, chill out! We liberate you from yourselves and treat you real nice. And when you come over here to settle, we introduce you to the abuses of free speech.
But then you go and get all upset.
What’s all this talk of adding insult to injury?
No gratitude, some people. Remember: this is Britain, the cradle of civilisation and democratic values, tolerance, free speech and erm…. women’s liberation. We thought of ALL OF IT first. Violence is NOT in our nature as a people. It is GOD’S WILL that we raise the savages up to our lofty heights and values.
Call me Mr. Picky, but I thought the whole point about satire was to have some kind of serious underlying point to it in order to generate discussion and debate. And there is no serious underlying point to these photos. So it’s an abuse of free speech. In the same way marching around London with placards supporting death to Westerners is too.
Sorry, I’ll get down off my high horse now. The thing is, I’m still reeling from the shock of almost agreeing with Jack Straw on something. He said that the publication of the cartoons of Muhammad was “disrespectful.”
Whereas sanctioning an invasion of a Muslim country and killing loads of people in a frantic grab for resources is, of course, marginally less disrespectful.
While I despise the idea of giving the government certain powers, I sometimes think we may have blown it by not having passed the incitement to religious hatred bill in its original form. The fascists are targetting the most vulnerable again, and some of us are running into their arms.
Of course, then I pull myself together and reassure myself that the best way to defeat them is to mobilise in our own communities, rather than giving the government power, as Schnews points out.
It’s interesting, though. Nick Griffin wrote a blog about the trial as it was going on. I’m too chickenshit to link to it, but it has the words “free speech on trial” in the title. In it, he describes how he enlisted the help of a Sikh gentleman, a certain Mr. Singh, to prove that a) he was criticising a religion, not a race and b) he’s not racist. There was also big play made of pictures of Griffin meeting black nationalist leaders, again underlining the fact that he is “not racist.”
This kind of reminds me of the episode of Father Ted, where the hapless priest gets involved in a dispute with his Chinese parishioners, and he keeps having to say he’s “not a racist.”
Nick Griffin – NOT A RACIST!!!!
Like hell. When the fascists have seized power in all the different countries, they intend to scrap it out to prove which of them are the strongest, the baddest and the bestest. So till then, they’re all gonna be best of friends.
(We’ve seen this all before, everyone…..).
And Mr. Singh, just wait till Mr. Griffin has finished with the Muslims.
Interesting post, Wolfie. I strongly suspect we are more closely aligned than you might think, but I’m still moved to point out that the cartoons were not actually published in Britain, so it’s a bit rich to get all high-and-mighty about ‘our’ abuse of free speech.
However, in saying that ‘these Muslims should learn to take a joke’, I think you get closer than most to the whole crux of this thing. It’s almost an article of faith in, particularly, Nordic countries, that you have to be able to stand up to having the piss taken out of you. It’s a ritual of induction into certain types of friendship/comradeship. Fail the test, and you effectively tell those testing you that you don’t belong in the group. Unfortunately, this is exactly what the people protesting about these cartoons want to say.
And the cartoons did have a point – which was that, out of fear, satirists (& piss-takers) effectively self-censor themselves when it comes to dealing with Islam. A bunch of cartoonists tried to say that we should have a few more cojones. They will now probably have to live under police guard for years.
February 05, 2006 10:07 PM
Interesting what you about the Nordic way being inclined towards taking the piss in order to get inducted into friendship. This was kind of what it was like when I first moved to S.Wales, and being an Essex boy in a previous life I lapped it up.
Nonetheless, I was still shocked at some of the ribbing I had to take, strange to tell. But it was the way round here, and that was fine by me.
That said, I don’t ever see the press in these parts taking the piss out of the ethnic minorities here. These include a Somali Muslim community, one of the oldest black communities in the country.
When I was getting high and mighty about the UK, I wasn’t refering to the press, rather to what I perceive to be the view on the ground here, even from so-called “right-thinking” people, (including some of my mates).
I’m actually chuffed to bits that our papers didn’t rise to the bait, cos I think the loony extremists have hijacked the debate here and in the Mid-East and it’s not doing any of us any good, least of all, as you say, the guys who did the cartoons.
The point is not that anyone should censor anything, but that is this the way to reach out to people in what is in so many ways an increasingly marginalised community?
And the problem is that as British and as Europeans, we have allowed our governments to literally take the piss out of the Muslim world for a good long while. I mean economically/militarily etc.
If we push the issue of free speech to the max here, it just sounds like the worst excesses of colonial rhetoric, or so I was trying to illustrate.
Erm…power to the people. And all that.
February 06, 2006 9:07 PM